STAY AWAY FROM PAY TO PLAY / FEEDBACK
The pay-to-play company, Afton Live (formerly Big Time Entertainment) has a feedback page with hundreds of happy musicians who've worked with Afton. Never mind that they are just plucked from old emails and that many of the original "happy" bands have since decided Big Time wasn't such a great experience. Never being people not to acknowledge a good idea when we see one, like Afton and their clipped emails, we've decided to share all the comments that have come in with myspace friend requests. Some of them were so good we started copying them as just a reminder that musicians really do care about this problem. We're listing them here as evidence that we are not the only musicians fed up with this practice. We want to thank each and every one of the people and bands who've left us this important feedback! You all rock! (Caution: salty language below!) |
awesome, very glad you have this space. I’ll have some stories to share. . . bombasticide You guys should routinely post this stuff in bulletins. I know better, but many young myspace bands don’t / Bobby Rviere. I’ve been in this business for 30 years, been there done that is my legacy, I’m still here, thank you for what you do for the naieve! / Iggy Rae Vicious hi! we are part of musik manifest, and wanted to thank u for the comment u posted! great job on ur site also!!! / Canton Is Hot
almost played. . . i mean payed a show in two weeks in tampa. thank you for this service. I LOVE TRUTH!!!!! / c9 tom mason Pay to play, never ok! -Black Party Politics Amen! Your word is right on! Pay you to play is my policy. . . . best,/ DM/X-15 Hell yeah!!!/ nevereven, New York I will not pay to play! / Siamese Intersection, Encinitas, California Right on! / Will Richards, Wakefield, UK I found you guys when I when I was looking on the internet for information about 'Afton Live. ' This was a big help, thanks! Joe / LMLC (Last Martyrs of a Lost Cause (HAS NEW SONGS!)), Philadelphia, PA you are so right, / The Venditos, Oklahoma I'm glad I'm not the only one out there that feels this way./ Danny Patterson, Houston, TX Hell yea! This is the most bad ass thing i've seen on here! We were wondering if anybody else noticed these guys screwin bands! RIGHT ON! / WHITE ARMS OF ATHENA, Mesquite, TX Afton hit me up. Thanks for sticking up for bands. I'm deleting them now. / Fresh Hot Lint, Pryor, OK wow, we definatly got screwed with this stuff. IM glad we found out sooner than later. / A Secret Sound, PINEVILLE, North Carolina Afton phished my Myspace account. / Thomas Mundahl, Minneapolis, MN Soylent Green is made out of Afton bookers. . . . it's Afton bookers!!!!! / Tom, Bunge, Minnepolis, MN I love you. Right on!!! / Reno Loner, Gobel, OR Thanks for the info. Our old drummer's band was ripped off $700 last year with a Gorila Prod. thing and they just contacted us this year as well. / Decent into Madness, Houston TX Thanks for the info, we were just contacted by Gorilla Prods. / HoustonMusicReviews, Houston TX WORD! FUCK PAY TO PLAY! / Random Orbits, Seattle, WA spot on, / Gio Cruz, GÖTEBORG, Västra Götalands län Sweden pay to play blows!!!!!!! /-Our Own Blood, Portland Oregon I wanted to say thank you for the site and info. Our band recently has been contacted by afton but we've decided not to participate. / Blackbird Orchestra, Seattle WA Agreed! / Session Three, Vancouver, WA good statement / Shake the Feeling, Orange, CA Love your site!! Preach the gospel!! We are with you. . Loud and clear. . THANX FOR STEPPING UP W/THE TRUTH!! , / CHRIS ( UAG ) Unknown Amongst Gods, Everett, WA pay to play = big scam. we got a bit of that shit going on here in Toronto, too, but most people pass along word about that and manage to avoid it. / MacKenzie King, Toronto Canada Rage, rage against the scams . . ./ For The Hard Way, Ontario, CANADA I support your cause and Thank You for taking a stand to prevent help performers from getting ripped off. I wish you the best and hope you will approve me / Michael Brown, Louisiania The Cincinnati booker tried to go after me. What a bunch of money hungry assholes. Thanks for letting musicians know the truth before it is too late. / Georgetown, US We love how you think!!! ---/ I am Evil (Evil Geniuz - booking company Twilight Theater) Portland, OR We got Burned by BTE Before we knew any better. Keep Up What your Doing!!! / Eyeshot, Fairborn, OH so true our local venue, the rave, will make bands pay huge amounts of money, then have them play while other locals or even headliners are playing. / Sleep Serapis Sleep, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Big Time Entertainment is a bunch of tool bags. / Unpaid Dues, Richmond, VA fuck pay to play!! Thanks for your site! / Wheel Chair Willie and the Stairs, Virginia Beach, VA i agree entirely! having had experience with both afton and emergenza. / Will Knox, London & New York fuck pay to play! we are with ya brothers, / Be My Grave, Seattle, WA ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH STAYING AWAY FROM PAY TO PLAY!! THANK YOU FOR THIS PROFILE! EXCELLENT / Flight Orchestra, Oakland, CA NO PAY TO PLAY!!!! / Lee Dee, New York, New York PREACH ON! / Axe Bitch, Moyock, NC These dudes (Mike, who's working Boston now) offered us a crap show. . . I may have been too nice when I turned it down, since now they've sent deta, / Chin Strap, Boston, MA ABsolutely! / SANJURO, London, UK Wow!!! Im glad sombody is setting bands free from this sham!!! Thank You!!! / KESERA, Brunswick, ME I've been a working musician for 20 years and NEVER have paid to play (nor will I). BIG thanks for your efforts, guys. / Dave Osborne, Lyman, ME Outrageous, come to Scotland, play for free, stay at mines! Good luck in ridding the world of this nonsense! / Jace Thompson, North Edinburgh Sobriety, EMBRA Scotland you guys rock. . ./ Jack Havoc, Sequim, WA Let's get this worked out! / Community chest, Richmond, VA This Afton campaign has moved to the east coast. . Contact me and I'll help fight against this! / Plaza Bowl, Richmond, VA we love you! / Plagued Remains, Dayton, OH great site! These people are scumbags. / Dissolute, Akron, OH I really believe in your cause and appreciate all the information. . . I would like to post you as a top friend. / The Toolshed Massarce, Jenkintown, PA FUCK YEAH!!! THANK YOU!!!! / Deathbeat, Seattle, WA keep up the good work! / Snap-Her, Bushkill, PA I feel you, hence me booking $3 all age shows. LETS FUCKING DO THIS!!!!!!!FUCK PAY TO PLAY. / Patience Loves the Bouncing Souls, Patience Connor, New York, NY dude, we did one show with big time and we will never do one again / Ranofer, Seattle,WA i made good use of the emergenza festival last week. thought you'd enjoy. http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=ivg_kelQnQk / Lee Barbour, Brooklyn, NY right the fuck on. / The Haddonfields, St Louis, MO HAILS! My name is BJ Annette. I"m the vocalist for Dying to Bleed. I am also Captain for NYDM/WADM. This is a local problem too. Love to talk more / BJ - NYDM/WADM CAPTAIN - PWFL/ Seattle, WA We're top friending you guys. / This Is A Stickup, CANANDAIGUA, New York Its about time somebody is saying it! / co_conspirator, Akron, OH ha. happened to my band when we first started out. oooops. / Joe Raffa, Londonderry, NH We have a bunch of this crap in kalllispell every summer the last time they took the money from the kids and didnt even set up the show. / Grave Yard Girl Scouts, Kalispell, MT Fuck yeah! / Florida Grind Alliance, Dayton Beach, FL thank you so much for this site! / CFLbands.com, Sanford, FL We have the same problem over here in the UK. We appreciate what you're doing. And we don't pay to play, ever. / Fatty Chan, Exeter, Southwest, UK yes way! / the Furs, Luray, VA great information! / The Perfects, Hampden (Baltimore), Maryland Hey, Alessandro here. . . as promised. Kinda raw still but it's a good start. Cheers from the third world! / Alessandro, Manila, Philippines Consider us in, and thanks! / CyberCity Productions, LAKE ELSINORE, California Thanks for existing - you totally saved me some trouble and heartache! / Rachel Schain, Wilmington, Delaware FUCK PAYING 2 PLAY!!! I WANNA JOIN THA MOVEMENT. . . . FUCK AFTON BYT THA WAY LOL! UNDERGROUND ARTIST MUST STICK 2GETHER!!! PERBZILLA I$ THA QUEEN CITY... NOW RUNTELLDAT!!!!! / PErbzilla, Charlotte, NC everything you say in this page is true! thanks for helping warn bands! / MecanizM Vocals, Chicago, IL You are doing a great thing. / Outside Soul, Raleigh, NC YES. / The Red Lights, NY, NY You are exactly what we are about. / The Headquarters, MONROEVILLE, Pennsylvania thank you. for having this./ THE HOI HOI HOI EXPERIENCE, Cheyenne, Wyoming we are protesting the pay to play companies in new orleans and are in negotiations with the clubs who book them spread the good news! / Jay Pilipovich, Jay Polo Live Sunday at the Howlin’ Wolf, New Orleans, LA keep fighting the good fight! / Squid Jag, Slackelaide, South Australia Nice work building this page. . . I know we all appreciate your message! / Pete Monstruo (MONSTRUO), State College, PA good work, way to go / Pete Herzog, Oregon we have been stuck paying many times(yikes) we even sold tickets for out of state shows. . . it can suck on my wallet! / Liquified Guts, PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania We book in central/Northeast Pennsylvania. No pay to play here. Every band leaves with gas money if not more. here here man / Mr. What?, livingisdone, Montana *glad we're not the only ones who feel that way* / Kill the Commonwealth, RICHMOND, Virginia Yes! / (A.O.F.)ROB(S.w/ M.) Rob Lewis from Axis of Fear, Everett, WA so glad someone is saying it! / Axis of Fear, Seattle, WA Thank you Thank you Thank you! Great page! / Mod Amish, San Diego, CA YES! / Electric Vectors, Phoenix, AZ Great page! You have my 100% support! Support local music, don't exploit it!! Yay, Girl Trouble! / Radio Free Seattle Presents, Seattle, WA It's not just pay-to-play in Phoenix. It's the "promoters" in general that are ruining the scene. Bands are cattier and the whole thing sucks balls / Thankful Birds, Phoenix, AZ Thank you. / Soul Cannon, Baltimore, MD Totally agree!! / ACWM Club, Manchester, NW UK This has been part of my philosophy since I started doing shows. Count me in. / Worm Quartet, Rochester, MA my hubby's in a band who has paid. . . imma put you in my top. . . I told him that was bullshit / Bitch...please!, Lake Jackson, TX Good advice on your page! The name of the game is great music and patience. Too many artist and not enough heart. . ./ D.Carrera Music Entertainment Presents... (D.Carrera music D.Carrera music), Sacramento, CA I so agree with your site. Only bands that pay to play are kids with money, not kids with talent. / Dancin Chuck, Akron, OH Ditto! Fuck that shit! NYC Dakini loves rock & roll and your page! / NYC Dakini, New York City, NY good call / .:keith LCN, Sterling, Massachusetts right on! / andrew shepherd, cuyahoga falls, Ohio We're with you! i don't like Gorilla prod. they haven't done me wrong but they have wronged some of my bandmates and friends, & i don't wanna be next / Everlasting God Stopper, Columbus, Ohio Much mutual support! / Key of V, Williamsport, PA Not only is it the scam "booking companys" Some venues will really screw bands over. They're pulling the same play to play tricks, As the spammers! / Vince Hogan, Dade City, FL SUUPPORT!!!! / VII Arcano, Roma, ITALY best fucking profile ever sign me up. . . . . . ./ 13 Pills, Milwaukee, WI Gorilla Productions does this bullshit, put those fuckers on the list! / The Weird Kids, Worcester, MA Pay to play killed MetalFest in Milwaukee. / Oldrock Productions, Milwaukee, WI hells YEAH! / SootheSayers, Eugene, OR Great site you have-- great info-- we know all about that shit, unfortunately. Keep rockin'! / Baby Vamp, Denver, CO we love what your doing. / The Mhurs, Belleville, Illinois, St.louis, Missouri awesome! This site needed to be up a looonnng time ago!!! St. Louis, Missouri Amen and Amen. I retired from the Atlanta music scene many years ago because of the pay to play deal. / Morning Velcro (Official) , PERRY, Georgia and how.../ Humbucker Studios, MAURY CITY, TENNESSEE We must freind up a good cause, / Bar Amp, Northwest United Kingdom selling presale tix IS a pain in the ass. ./ Captives Come Home, Naples, NY Great Stuff! - I have got emails and calls from some of these promoters and found it a bit strange. Now I know the deal, I agree 100% / Critical Mouse, Norfolk, VA I'm going to put you in our top friends. Great job here! Lots to say, not enough space. I'll send a message. I'd love to work with you & help support! / The Complete Sell-Out Project, St Louis, MO Ditto that. . . down with pay to play! / Wynnsorforce, A-Town, IL thanks for the info. Afton contacted me and I really was about to see what they was about. / Microphone Criminal, Philadelphia, PA THE BEST FOR YOU,,,CHEERS,,FREDOOM,RESPECT,,PEACE,,HAPPINESS,,SEX AND PUNK ROCKKKKKKK /The Judas Bunch, Stockholm, SWEDEN YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH! Excellent message and thank you for trying to get the word out about these bullshit companies taking advantage of bands! / Attack Ships On Fire, Portland, OR i support you, and now im going to cancel the hotbox show we have booked. . . such a scam, / 4 The Win, Etobicoke, Ontario Canada This cancer is spreading in the Lehigh Valley area as well. We've reluctantly done it because it was the only way we could get shows, but no more. / Machina Infernus, BETHLEHEM, Pennsylvania Yo, you guys are really cool, I have been feeling rwally annoyed at many of my friends' bands for a long time about doing shows like these. Jake / The Ardmore Assault, ARDMORE, Pennsylvania We agree! / The Percocetts, Philadelphia, PA yea! / Shakin’ Michael J, Seattle/Vermont It's good to see someone working to make sure people know about all of the predatory "agents" in the industry! Keep it up! -- / Tim / Level Zero, Spokane, WA Great site! /Keefe, Bothell, WA HAILS. I agree with this page as I was one of those young musicians who fell for this bullshit and never understood why noone ever came out. / Merodach (Enki Enlil), Suburbs, CO very nice very nice!!! / LED TO THE GRAVE, Cape Cod/Boston, Massachusetts awesome work / Hello Gaia, AURORA, Colorado Illumina Records is a scam. Spread the word!! Top friend me. / The Illumina Records scam page,NY Hell Yeah. Thanks for keeping your music scene viable and progressive and calling people out. I appreciate that as a gigging musician. / SOLITO ~ it’s Italian for the Shitz, Sylva, North Carolina cool bon! thanks for making this site. yep, I agree. gotta work on the 5(not 2) drink ticket site now. Hee Hee- / dan Mollybolt, Portland, OR Thank you! !@#$ YEAH!, / Wayne Gracy Trio, Jam Solid and Concerts first fucked us over! / The Sub Gens, Renton, WA salutes from vegas / Mikey (Mike Haddad), Hendershitty, NV WE LOVE YOU. JUST READ THAT RECENT BLOG. OMG ---THAT IS CLASSIC! / The Fun Police, Tacoma WA Just read the blog about the BS tour Levi and XIL put together - plz Add us. . . Thanks!, / Big Wheel Stunt Squad, Gig Harbor, WA Big ups from the Pacific Northwest!! / Get Down Moses, Seattle, WA Great myspace! Love the information and the way you word everything. Thank you! / -Lauren Kendall Girl Trouble Rocks!/ J Mac Cadillac, Tacoma, WA so glad to have people to spread some much needed knowledge between the up and coming musicians / Robert Westchester(looking for musicians!) (Alex Sims) Illinois Saw the blog about the pay-to-play tour, via a guy named Lonny. Thanks for sharing that story, my condolences go to the bands who suffered through it. / Shumfpozj... L?mtz Shumfpozj., Das Unterseeboot, Washington "the dude abides" / Trevor, Tacoma WA Hell fucking yeah! I've been preaching this for years - it's amazing how many bands will argue with me about it! Rock on girl trouble rock on! / Hipnautica, Austin, TX Right on they almost had us last year ! / ULTIMATUM, ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico Right on!!! / The Drews, Washington state We live in LA and the ptp is a virus out here. Keep fighting the good fight. . . ./ J-bird (jay mangano), Burbank, CA Unfortunately we are playing a show with Afton tonight but it will be our only as I found out about them today!! / 61 Trees, Elk Grove, CA I'm a struggling musician and I'm truely happy that I'm not the only person on the planet who thinks Pay-to-Play is the worst thing ever. / DeadEarth (Eric-Christian Alexander), BAY SHORE, New York FUCK PAYING TO PLAY!!!!! / FIVE-0-HATE PRODUCTIONS (Patrick O'Connell) Way to speak up on this bullshit. Fuck big time entertainment and the rest of those scumbags. / No Me Importa (Monty Owen Ii), Tempe Arizona Hell yes my friend! / Tommy OneTime, Seattle, WA I SAW YOU ON JOHN WILKES BOOTH PAGE. IM IMPRESSED WITH YOUR PAGE AND DEDICATION! , / HMETALNYMETSVAL Valerie Steiner, ELMONT-FLORAL PARK , New York really love you spreading the word and helping bands out! / Fangs Out, Toledo, OH yes / REZZWORTH, Belgium Good site! / Infinite Aggression Selma, California Keep up the good work guys, new and upcoming artists need to be more aware of this kind of stuff. / ABOVE THE ASHES [HEADLINING JAMMIN' JAVA DEC 27TH] (Above the Ashes) HATED NOISE AGREES PAYIN TO PLAY IS A CROCK O' SHIT!!!! / Hated Noise, Seattle, WA Good work!!! / AblaZ (Ablaz Official), Duisburg, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany the skateboard and snowboard community is behind you 100 percent! keep up the good work. loved your story on the xil tour, we all got a kick out of it, SAVES (Saves Clothing), Seattle, WA cool /AP Zoutes, TACOMA, Washington Heard from Afton Live about Dallas gigs. Research led me to you on MySpace. / Ken Turetzky, Dallas, TX yeah! there's tons of this crap going on in vancouver with companies like spm productions and sspr. screw these lazy asses! / defektors, Vancouver, BC Canada AMEN! FUCK AFTON! THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE LITTLE GUYS A VOICE! / Period 6, Chicago, IL Preach on. . ./ T.Jay Rocket, Seattle, Washington Great Page! Songs by Marty, Seattle, WA Thanks for breakin it down and keepin it real! We have also been dooped by P2P such as emergenza. Were 3+ years and shootin for the stars!! ROCK ON! / the Devil Himself, Santa Cruz, CA NO WAY DONT PAY! / Babylon Dub punks, Edinburgh, Scotland Any tips on how to avoid the B. S. ? / a.k.a. White Devil, Roseburg, Oregon BigTime is now known as Aftonlive. com / R. Stangland, Portland, OR hey, local philly band almost scammed by afton, thanks for your page! / SQUARE WAVE, WYNDMOOR, Pennsylvania shit, almost scammed by afton. . thanks for your page! / magoni, Wyndmoor, Pennsylvania I'm with you, Bon! And Sonicbids can eff-off too!!! / THE LAUNDRONAUTS, Vancouver, BC Canada Just completed the Emergenza Festival in NY. I know what you mean! / Benita Charles Music, NEW YORK, New York I couldn't agree more! / Ryan Dustan, Tacoma, WA Just got hit up by afton guy. Researched and found your page. Thanks for the info. / Tim Kelley, Douglasville, GA We totally aggree on the no pay to play. / BarnDog Promotions, Tulsa OK We thought you might dig it…New music from Seattle. fuck paying to play! / End of the Night, Seattle, WA Amen to the message. / Johnny Coffin, (J. Black), Tulsa, OK No pay to play. Alpha dog loves this / Alpha Dog, Tulsa, OK Hey Looks like were into the same thing and im sure we can help each other out :) /Music IS Free - www.musicisfree.org, Manchester, England yes i do / SOY CALIFA ., Belgium From the band MEATGOAT. And I AGREE with you guys. / SIX, Dallas, TX Any suggestions on how to book real shows? / The Madcap Heart, Westland, MI Thank you for what you do! / WhAAM! @ the Old Foundry (Whatcom All-ages Arts Music), Bellingham, WA F pay to play!!/ Hawk Attack, LOUISVILLLE, Colorado Hell yeah, brothers!/ The Guitars, Harrison, OH Think you'll like this night we're putting on. Take a gander at our statement of intent. First one on 5th Sept./ Joyride, Northwest, United Kingdom Yeah, Stay Away from Pay to Play! / Anonymous Horses, Seattle WA thanks for the info on BTE they just sent me so thank u / Poet, GWYNN OAK, Maryland we are former victims of the pre-sale garbage / We are erased, englewood, Colorado can you help point me in the direction of some venues in the capitol, that also agree with the DONT pay to play policy ?? great work! /-tom Mustav, Richmond, Virginia, US keep fightin the good fight! we never play to pay! / funhouse, Denver, Co ust played second gig ever and it was a pay-to-play. . . Last time ever. . . pain in the ass. . . / Kill A Drifter, Collinsville, IL Awesome site, we need this in Orlando. / Dish, DeLand, FL Hell yeah! / Rockabye Ransom, Cleveland, Ohio Awesome!!!!! Great Cause!!! / Hollerado, Manotick Canada hey your doing a good thing! fuck pay to play promoters, vegas is full of them / Empirical, Las Vegas, NV hello! please add us to your top friends, adn we'll do the same. cheers! so pleased to meet like minded folk / Sing A Song For Sixpence Campaign, Glasgow Scotland keep doing wot you are,brilliant / The tenemants Glasgow, Scotland This is amazing! Keep it up man. / Deathmocracy, Seattle, WA I always try to explain this to other bands. Thanks for putting this page together and spreading the word. / Dragonship, Richmond, Virginia Wish i would have seen your page before we booked with gorilla hahaha. . . keep up the good work. / The Royal Atlantic, WANTAGH, New York FUCK YEAH! / The Fearless, New York, NY Great organization. . . . We're 100% behind you! / Western Civ, Chapel Hill, NC This myspace is fantastic!! I've found it very inspirational. (And quite informative. :]) I read all the blog posts this afternoon. / Lurch, Ithaca, NY I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!! FINALLY. . . . . . . Someone who understands that promotion has gotten COMPLETELY backwards. / Tim Serdynski, Orlando, FL viva la revolution! / The Grand Royale, Tucson, AZ thanks for the info on afton guys keep doing what you do! / Seth, Pembroke, MA |